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After reading file 12 in RE5, I have some nagging thoughts. The file says 'Most of the Wesker children died, leaving only  a few survivors. Albert Wesker was one of those survivors, and he disappeared shortly after.' Meaning there are still a few 'Weskers' left out there? If so, what the heck have they been doing? It is quite possible that most of them had followed a scientific career, as 'some took the viurs on the recommendation of a friend'. I'd like to think that they didn't become cashiers at McDonalds or taken up any other sort of trivial jobs. Also, the file mentions 'Albert Wesker was no different. His partner, William Birkin, gave him the experimental virus, and he administered it to himself'. This is the 'Wesker Virus' that Wesker injects himself with in RE1, but does this mean Birkin had connections with Spencer? That's strange though, seeing as the file also mentions Wesker spent a hell of a time trying to track down Spencer...

And let me get this straight:

Wesker is 'manufactured' with superior intellect. He then injects himself with the 'Wesker Virus' (which is also referred to as an 'experimental virus' >_>), and comes back to life with super powers. Is the 'experimental virus' the Progenitor Virus? The shots Wesker had to administer periodically, the label was somewhat of a reference to the Progenitor virus. Also, what IS the Progenitor virus? The T-Virus is the Progenitor + Leech DNA, and when infected with it, you have the possibility of turning into a Tyrant (Sergei). Do the people that are injected with the Progenitor Virus just gain super human strength? (If they didn't die?)

I hope RE6 won't be rebooting the series. There are too many plot holes and too many things are aren't tied up. Leon? Claire? Side effects for Jill? (her super powers wear off eventually, right?) No Barry, seeing as he's Canadian and he'll probably never be mentioned again in this series. Also, it would really suck if Wesker died. On topic of that, everytime a boss dies in RE, we see it's dead corpse melting/disintegrating. That didn't happen with Wesker.... weird. Or you at least see them explode. (And talk about bad animation with his head and rocket...)

I am unsatisfied with this game. It doesn't answer the piling amount of question this series has, but rather, introduces more questions >=/ Mercenaries is a lot of fun though. Paying for versus + slayers is just stupid.

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NightKry wrote:

 Meaning there are still a few 'Weskers' left out there?

I hope so. RE6 villains yes?

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I hope RE6 won't be rebooting the series.

I agree.

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Also, it would really suck if Wesker died.

Totally. Hes not dead! Nooooo! He cant be.

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^  Wesker's indeed dead, like it or not. And as far as I understood the game plot, there are no more Wesker Children out there, he was the only one who survived the experiments.

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^  Wesker's indeed dead, like it or not. And as far as I understood the game plot, there are no more Wesker Children out there, he was the only one who survived the experiments.

Boy, aren't you a party pooper.

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He's just nipping the rampant fangirlism in the bud.

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*Sighs* Can't believe he's dead >=P And btw, Maiafay, I read the first chapter of your FF on Wesker. It's awesome. You HAVE you go through with it. Better than the official  ending, IMHO.

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Thinking about it, Albert was the only known one to actually hone in on Spencer, Spencer could have done something to any that arrived prior to Albert, Or they where simply too late and literally lost all purpose in life and would never be seen again, or they where killed on the way to Spencer, since it was noted that some actually survived the virus.

Or it's very possible that they where taken out by organisations like the BSAA as they started cropping up, i'd like to think some where as mad as Albert, but not nearly as good.

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He's just nipping the rampant fangirlism in the bud.

Okay...I was just joking, but now it seems I'm a fangirl? Sorry,  I'm someone who just likes the character. For Wesker being the main antagonist throughout the entire series, he deserved better than some generic death. Thanks.

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And btw, Maiafay, I read the first chapter of your FF on Wesker. It's awesome. You HAVE you go through with it. Better than the official  ending, IMHO.

And Night, thanks for reading! Glad you liked it despite what I do to Chris and Sheva. I thought I would get someone bitching at me, but so far, so good.

I think I made someone cry, though. {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

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Maiafay wrote:

Okay...I was just joking, but now it seems I'm a fangirl? Sorry,  I'm someone who just likes the character. For Wesker being the main antagonist throughout the entire series, he deserved better than some generic death. Thanks.

On the contrary, Wesker's successes throughout the series haven't been a creation of his own but rather him capitalising on Umbrella's mistakes. He was just opportunistic and bright enough to figure out what was going on. I didn't like how Umbrella Chronicles essentially degraded every character all in order to make Wesker look good, the most prominent example of this being Birkin. In RE0, he was more or less on the same footing as Wesker. In fact, I loved the portrayal of both Wesker and Birkin in RE0, and later Wesker in REmake - thought he had a much better voice actor too. Birkin was just as scheming as Wesker, if a little obsessed with his work but the two were friends and they knew how each other's mind worked.

For instance, they collaborated in destroying the Umbrella Management Training Facility, with Birkin presumably taking out the water treatment facilities and Wesker dealing with the upper building. That's the theory at least. But in UC, Birkin was reduced to this young-ish, bumbling neurotic scientist who wasn't sure of himself, he panicked while Wesker - of course - always remained cool and collected, always calm. It just seemed as though the game was made simply to promote Wesker, to make him look "badass" and to cater to his personal fans. In the end, it just came across as forced and simply ridiculed the majority of other characters. Everyone except Wesker was made out to be either insecure, panic-stricken and small-minded.

That said, they picked up the ball with his character in RE5. D.C. Douglas in particular did a fantastic job as a voice actor, he conveyed some decent emotion into Wesker, I might even go so far to suggest that he's as good as Peter Jessop in REmake - who I still believe was Wesker's best VA, he seemed more natural and as a result, genuinely insidious. After this overtly lengthy post, what I'm trying to say is that Wesker - while being a central antagonist - wasn't exactly the main antagonist initially. Before, it was all about Spencer and Umbrella, this faceless company who were seemingly untouchable. That's what made them so threatening. It wasn't a man you could kill, it was an international pharmaceutical enterprise with many connections to the United States government. I would touch upon the military-industrial complex and Umbrella's activities throughout the Cold War, but this post's gone on long enough.

One final point, I do agree with you about Wesker's death. I thought the whole ending of RE5 was rather anti-climatic.

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Personally I found Wesker's RE5 VA had TOO MUCH of a nasally voice. His VA was much better in RE4. There he aristocratic, but here he just sounds like he has a cold. He also seemed much more civil in every game BUT RE5. I don't remember his VA in UC, and I haven't played REmake yet...

 

 

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After this overtly lengthy post, what I'm trying to say is that Wesker - while being a central antagonist - wasn't exactly the main antagonist initially. Before, it was all about Spencer and Umbrella, this faceless company who were seemingly untouchable. That's what made them so threatening. It wasn't a man you could kill, it was an international pharmaceutical enterprise with many connections to the United States government. I would touch upon the military-industrial complex and Umbrella's activities throughout the Cold War, but this post's gone on long enough.

One final point, I do agree with you about Wesker's death. I thought the whole ending of RE5 was rather anti-climatic.

Now you're being condescending. I can deduce Umbrella was the "main antagonist"; I'm not an idiot.

I wasn't specific enough, apparently.  I meant he was an antagonist throughout the entire series, the man behind the screen so-to-speak. There seemed to have been a game missing between RE4 and RE5 where he suddenly went mad with this desire to populate the world with evolved humans. The personality change from calm and collected to ranting poster boy for darwinism seemed a little bit of a stretch. He had only one game to shine, and unfortunately we were chasing Irving most of the time. A waste, IMO.

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Maiafay wrote:

 The personality change from calm and collected to ranting poster boy for darwinism seemed a little bit of a stretch. He had only one game to shine, and unfortunately we were chasing Irving most of the time. A waste, IMO.

Ditto. Irving had a weird face.

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There seemed to have been a game missing between RE4 and RE5 where he suddenly went mad with this desire to populate the world with evolved humans. The personality change from calm and collected to ranting poster boy for darwinism seemed a little bit of a stretch.

I figured he snapped after meeting with Spencer.  That is, after all, when he found out his entire life had been engineered without his knowledge toward the goals of a man he considered frankly inferior to himself.

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Maiafay wrote:

Now you're being condescending. I can deduce Umbrella was the "main antagonist"; I'm not an idiot.

I wasn't specific enough, apparently.  I meant he was an antagonist throughout the entire series, the man behind the screen so-to-speak. There seemed to have been a game missing between RE4 and RE5 where he suddenly went mad with this desire to populate the world with evolved humans. The personality change from calm and collected to ranting poster boy for darwinism seemed a little bit of a stretch. He had only one game to shine, and unfortunately we were chasing Irving most of the time. A waste, IMO.

I do apologise if my words may have come across as condescending, but I was under the impression that we're all old enough and wise enough on here to overlook comments made on an internet discussion forum. My words are just text that can be ignored. I wasn't suggesting that you were an idiot, but let's hastily move on. Wesker has been portrayed differently in almost every individual game he's been in. In REmake, a secretive and scheming ex-employee of Umbrella. In CVX, a powerful maniac burning for revenge. Post-CVX, he's become this almost megalomaniacal type who could do whatever he wanted. Then in RE5, we have this figure who as you stated is some would-be Aryan superhuman. In fact, the first thing I thought of was Christopher Walken in A View To A Kill. Wesker is essentially Max Zorin.

Again, I apologise if you wanted Wesker to be some supervillain throughout the entirety of the series but unfortunately it's simply not the case. To be honest I'd like a return to how things were originally, with a faceless corporation being the opponent. Umbrella were far more interesting, like Weyland-Yutani in Aliens or Omni-Consumer Products from the RoboCop series. This unstoppable juggernaut which left our main protagonists fighting against overwhelming odds. If anything, I hope that Tricell become the next central antagonist in the series. If the reboot only involves gameplay mechanics and clearing up the old Umbrella storyline, which I believe it might.

One final thing, Wesker's had more than one game to shine. CVX and UC both come to mind rather prominently. By the way, I do hope we can collaborate on future discussions on here. I cannot fathom unnecessary drama.

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No, we're fine now. It was a misunderstanding.

As for Wesker being there for the entire series, I suppose not. It would be nice, but alas, he is probably gone for good. Just wish his send-off was better. Capcom has some big shoes to fill in regards to a new villian though. I am doubtful about RE6; I have a feeling we'll be going through a lot of one-shot wonders for a while.

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Wesker was alot like a vampire in-my-opinion. I think it would be interesting if on the next game the new enemies are Vampire-like creatures, created by a mixture of Wesker's blood and Progenitor or something (V-virus anybody? LOL)

It would make gameplay more difficult because the enemies would be smarter, faster and way stronger then Zombies/Ganados/Majini.

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Vampire-like creatures? Hmm. I think they should just go back to old school zombies, but barely give us any ammo at all. Just a knife. I found RE5 to be waay too easy.

And take a look at this:

This just makes me angry

It just makes me angry. I've been staring at it for quite some while (as I finish copying out my chinese hwk >_>) and I just don't get it. Did he duck his head? Is that why his head goes downwards a bit before dissapearing? Is Capcom really playing it lame and might bring him back if the fans are upset enough? This is a ridiculously horrible ending for such a bad ass character that just about master minded the entire series. But then again he is taking a lava bath with supposedly, two RPGs flying at his head. How can you possibly mess up on animation?

I think I'm in denial or something. And yeah, these topics regarding Wesker's 'death' are overdone.

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This just makes me angry

It just makes me angry. I've been staring at it for quite some while (as I finish copying out my chinese hwk >_>) and I just don't get it. Did he duck his head? is that why his head goes downwards a bit before dissapearing? Is Capcom really playing it lame and might bring him back if the fans are upset enough? This is a ridiculously horribble ending for such a bad ass character that just about master minded the entire series. But then again he is taking a lava bath with supposedly, two RPGs flying at his head. How can you possibly mess up on animation?

I think I'm in denial or something. And yeah, these topics regarding Wesker's 'death' are overdone.

It looks kinda like he ducks, Lol. Thats pretty awful.

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I looks kinda like he ducks, Lol. Thats pretty awful.

Yeah, and the RPGs explode after going through his head. Seriously...

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Yeah, and the RPGs explode after going through his head. Seriously...

Perhaps they ran out of money towards the end?  Maybe that's why the boss fight was sooo anticlimatic.

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I doubt money was a factor. The game was in development for 5 years. Perhaps they just half assed it, thinking fans would not rip the final scene and slow down the animation, then point and gape saying "No, no, Wesker's not dead, see? *Points* the rockets clearly go THROUGH his head, then explode. He can't be dead, he's too awesome to die!'

Capcom better officially confirm his death before 'rebooting the series'.

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I just find it ridiculous that Albert Wesker is standing in a pool of molten rock.  When it is first expelled from a volcano, lava burns at a temperature ranging from 1,300°F to 2,200°F (700°C to 1,200°C).  The next time you have a family barbeque, stick your hand down next to the coals.  They tend to burn at around 1,000°F (535 °C).  Wesker would have been lucky to get the "C" out in "CHRIS!!!" before he was complete incinerated.  The rockets are completely irrelevant.

Just once I'd like to see a volcano accurately depicted in fiction.

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Given that the cutscenes are in realtime, and the little gif there is slowed down considerably, I don't know why you are angry about the missiles going through his head. Its not a big deal, this happens a lot in games. Models go through models, unless you specifically set them not to. Why take the time to do something that noone will notice?

Someone mentioned Wesker snapping after the meeting with Spencer. I'd pretty much agree on that. He was a man who always had a plan and thought he had his affairs in order. To find out that your whole life was crafted for you would be a big shock to him, I'd think.

Then again, maybe the plan he devised was just another way to "one up" Spencer, and show him that he could suceed where he had failed, thus breaking him free from whatever perceived guidance or control Spencer had on his life.

I much prefered Wesker when he was just the traitor from Resident Evil 1. Once they introduced god-like powers into the series things just became way too over the top. Hopefully we'll return to a more grounded reality, though with the new fans that seem to worship Wesker and his Neo moves, I don't think that will be the case.

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I see it as the rockets go through Wesker's face... Cry He is dead.

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He is dead. No doubt. and I questioned the rockets going through his head on my first playthrough. But I have accepted that Wesker is in fact dead. RE6 is supposedly going to "reboot" the series. Whatever that means. Either way I think the next game will not be as good as the rest simply because much of the main plot has been taken care of with RE5. Which I'm not unhappy about since if RE5 had not done this, I would have been very disappointed. but none the less a new story arc will probably be used, hopefully some cameos will be in there.

 

What I do see as a sort of "twist" is that Wesker was not really in control until he killed Spencer. Wesker was pretty much programmed to find Spencer. Up until that point everything had gone according to Spencer's plan. And Wesker played into it. Wether or not Spencer intended for himself to die at that given point is a mystery but he had to see it coming.  I just hope the next game comes out soon.

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I have kept asking myself how do you "program" a person to track another person up? To look for someone? Inject "tracker" genes into the hosts body?

I dont get this.

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I have kept asking myself how do you "program" a person to track another person up? To look for someone? Inject "tracker" genes into the hosts body?

I dont get this.

Omg...

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I much prefered Wesker when he was just the traitor from Resident Evil 1. Once they introduced god-like powers into the series things just became way too over the top. Hopefully we'll return to a more grounded reality, though with the new fans that seem to worship Wesker and his Neo moves, I don't think that will be the case.

I liked his powers; they're no more different than any other boss or villian in the game. They all had super strength, quickness (Krauser), and various other quirks. Wesker's flashier, yes, but that set him apart from the rest. The cut scenes in RE5 were spectacular to watch.

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Grounded reality? You DO know we're talking about Resident Evil don't you? XD

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As for grounded reality, there is NO WAY Chris and Sheva could have survived that jet crash. Jet streams are what, in the stratosphere? Meaning they're at the LEAST 10km above ground. But they survive, and simply get up and confront Wesker like they're in the peak of their preformances, because they have NOT just been running around for the past day being chased by crazed locals, weird natives, and large B.O.Ws. Walking around in a volcano? Yeah right! Wesker might be able to it, but surely not Chris. I guess you might be able to stretch it that Sheva can stand the 'heat' since she is African, so perhaps she's acostomed to this 'climate'? PFFFT.

But yeah, models do go through models... This is why the cut scenes should'nt have been in realtime/inengine, and been like RE4 more...I have to stop complaining, and just accept that he's dead. I read an article somewhere that RE6 is going to follow in the RE5 trend, and that 'act one' of the RE series is over. Pleaaaseee, I DON'T want mandatory co-op.

Ah whatever, I need to go study for my WWI test.

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I didn't do mandatory co-op; I soloed the whole game and probably will keep it that way. Not a social person. *Shrugs* But yes, if they make it mandatory, I'll not be happy.