Obama Love or Obama Hate?

McCain, Obama, both the same to me. Don't tell me you actually thought there was a difference?

Refreshing change, why? He hasn't done anything, last I heard he wasn't even a real US citizen.

Also, he has problems speaking when its not written down and put in front of him, not what I would call a leader...

I think he's young, he's got kids, he understands and maybe he can help. Seems like a good fit.

What disgusts me the most is the fact that the BBC and other British news channels were all over this like a rash, even though he's not our leader and that we should give as much a damn about American politics as Americans themselves do about the world beyond their national borders. But if you want my opinion, I'll happily provide it. I think Obama is young, politically inexperienced and not my ideal choice for a leader. He's just going to be a figurehead for certain lobbyists.

Ah, now ol' Maggie. She was a real leader.

I'm young, have a kid and understand, why can't I help too? 

Yep, exactly.

I like this emoticon I had it on my old forum.

Some say he's the new Antichrist.

Obama may not have all the answers, but that's what the people around him are for. He's got a valid crew tagging along. The world's economy is going to reset itself no matter who's in charge, might as well be a young president with a bit more open look at things. You guys should be supporting him purely because his stance on video games.

I mean, the guy knows how to properly respond to "All your base are belong to us!". This alone would guarantee him my vote, if I was a US citizen.

I think he's going to do a sheer better job than what President Bush has ever done to the American government, and I think he's a perfect icon to be  for the presidency, and that's what the people need at the moment; change and a new view of things. I think he's going to do fine.

There are certain things Bush as no control over, and that is textbook  economical tendencies. No matter how much you try, or whatever you do, sooner or later you will hit a period of recession. Be it war on terror, cocaine or heroin, or terrible fashion. What we need to do now, is to cut down our population about 2-2.5 billion "units", use the dead mass to generate fossil fuel and drive our SUVs for another few more years.

What do you expect him to do only a month after being sworn in? And even at that, he's done quite alot. The effective closure of Guantanimo Bay, for instance, and that was only on his first day.

Have you seen his speeches? And almost all political leaders have their speeches written for them. Very few improvise. Be thankful Obama is a much better public speaker than Bush.

A lot of people say that Bush was an excellent speaker when he was a governor.

I say there's more than meets the eye. Dishing Bush is an ignorant man's game. Blaming him for the collapse of global economy is laughable. But more than anything, I more and more believe in the idea that George W. was "pushed" to be the president either by his family and/or his financial supporters. The difference in his speeches from his Governor days and Presidential days are... staggering.

There are also theories about him suffering from dementia, which are possible, but I would stack it up as a result of the stress from doing the job and making decisions he probably never wanted to do and/or never believed in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvVilAlCBYc&feature=related

His change in political stance from two periods are apparent (hes anti-war in governor days and look at his presidency). In short, I believe that he was a victim.

I don't expect him to do anything. Closed Guantanimo Bay, who gives a shit really, thats just to keep the liberals happy. Your country gives aid to Israel, then it gives aid to rebuild the Gaza strip after Israel has bombed it to hell - your political agenda contradicts itself. Your country is not controlled by who you think it is (if its controlled at all).

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090226/ts_afp/useconomybudgetgrowth_200902...

Good luck with that, mate.. I know another country like that, its called Zimbabwe. It put them on the map, for sure..

America's problems can only get worse. You are on the brink of collapse and don't even see it.

I'm just completely blind and I don't realize any off it and my fuckin' head is up my ass.  Right?  You're SO enlightning.

I dunno, I see a lot of Americans walking around like that. Is it genetic or what?

They all say the same thing - Obama is a good leader, a good icon - "finally, we have a real leader".. and then there is no mention of why. In Asia (and the ROW excluding most of Europe), Obama is a joke. And not a very good one either due to the implications of his presidency.

The economy will continue to get worse (due to a certain parasitic organism, massive amount of welfare and wasteful, unproductive lifestyles) and this is going to affect China with its billion or so mouths to feed. Do you think all those unemployed men will just sit around in a nation ready for military conflict? No, it will be the right time to launch a war. They can afford to lose a few million people. And lets not forget Russia either. I can see both countries shipping weapons to disgruntled groups within a socially weak America (already happened on a small scale) to get the second civil war going (the only way to overthrow a nuclear power). What is your current debt now? $10 trillion? Ah, mere peanuts right, nothing to worry about. America is going to get ripped apart anally.

You need a nationalist revolution along with the dissolution of democracy - and you need it soon. Get some common sense too, you cannot defeat nature - you can only keep it at bay for so long. The politically correct attitudes coming out of the US are not only disgusting but unnatural. You can only polish a turd for so long before it falls apart.

If you want to know more about what will happen, you don't need me to tell you, just pick up a history book and read the most common reasons for the downfall of civilizations and empires. History has a habit of repeating itself.

Scream, British, right? I find it amusing that you're throwing fists at Americans when your own country has its own share of problems, ridiculously terrible choices and stupidity going through the roof.  Arent "chavs" nowadays a phenomenon most of the youth knowing UK for? Before you lable an entire country blind, take a hard look at the cesspool you're living in, yourself.

Unless youre living in Scandinavia, you shouldn't be generalizing and calling the whole populus idiots.

I'm not throwing fists, I'm just trying to make them more aware of the dire situation their country is in and how other countries follow their example regardless of if its right or wrong. World = Fail. I think it's easier for an outsider to notice the problems of a country - for example, Napoleon was Corsican not French, Alexander Macedonian not Greek, Hitler from Austria not Germany etc..

I'm also very aware of the UK's problems. In many aspects its worse than the States, as if they're trying to outdo them... which is why I don't live there anymore, I live in Taiwan where I'm much happier and can freely comment on these things. I can also download as many things as I like without my ISP sending me a nice letter or fining me $20,000 for downloading 3D pinball or whatever.. so much for a free country. I'd rather die than live in a liberal fascist country.

I didn't call anyone an idiot. Its true the majority of a population act like lemmings, but I wouldn't go so far as to call them idiots, more like followers who can be swayed when the tide is right. That's the way of the world.

I've been impressed with Obama, for one thing America needed the big change it didn't matter what colour gender Obama was, anything was better than McCain, not that he was a bad nominee but represented the old guard, something the world was getting sick of. He was someone that most Americans could not relate to. It's ageist sure, but that's politics and it's all about keeping with the times. Obama had the youth factor, he had the wow factor for his colour which certainly helped the outside world take note.

And he has done a lot already, closing of the Gunatamano was a good move as is the official withdrawal of troops in Iraq.

Obama actually has the chance to change the worlds perception of America. He has the chance to build new bonds with nations, bonds that because he is not the norm "rough" states may give him that bit more opportunity for narrative.

I wish him well but fear that he could never live up the hype generated.

It doesn't really matter if he has the "wow factor" or is the greatest inspiration to the general population since Jesus - America is still on the wrong path. People will continue to do what is wrong, perhaps at an accelerated rate. Let's face it, the withdrawal of troops from Iraq was going to happen, not that it matters since the damage has been done. They'll probably end up in Iran anyway.

McCain all the way. Obama is good, but he's not a step in the right direction for the war on terror. Military and hard stances are required at this time to assert and maintain America's status as the sole superpower.

McCain is a terrible liar. Check youtube.

Obama's all over TV here as well. If Bush hadn't wrecked the economy, I don't think a black man would have been elected for several more years, despite his credentials.

The economy would have been wrecked whether there was Bush or not. You can't inflate global economy on limited resources, speculation and hot air for too long. Every time you paid something with your credit card, you gave your input into the incoming global economic recession.

That being said, I need someone to spend money on research, economic progression and pretty much everything that improves our quality of life and takes us faster on another cycle (which end result will be recession, sooner or later). One country cant change the world, even such a country as USA, is unable to change one single country. It takes a global effort. You can count EU out of it.

If history is any indication, every great empire crumbles.

I've been pleased (mostly) with Obama's performance so far.  As a big fan of science, I'm glad he lifted that ridiculous restriction on stem cell research.  I consider the closing of Guantanamo Bay a largely symbolic gesture, but a step in the right direction.  And I think investments in jobs and infrastructure are the key to not just preserving the economy, but improving it.

Birkin mentioned the United States as the world's sole superpower.  I respectfully disagree.  China is shaping up to be an economic and military powerhouse, and the West ignores them at its own risk.  That said, I do not expect them to start a war.  Wars are costly and politically risky, especially when nuclear deterrents are on the table.  No, I suspect they will keep buying up American properties and debts, as they have been doing.

Welsh is correct that every empire crumbles.  Personally, I think the United States has been heading that way for a while.  However, many empires have had periods of relative decadence and stagnation, but some crisis pushed them again to greatness.  There is no way to predict (yet) whether the United States will remain a formidible power in 2100.  That really doesn't bother me as long as the species as a whole continues its march toward social justice and scientific greatness.  (My hopes currently lie with the European Union, although if China can fix its human-rights situation, I'd root for them too.)

Seing from a foreign country like mine I can say that this president is very famouse for us.

Even if we don't know what exactly he intends to do about America we have many expectations about what he can do in international issue.

And like it has been said , this man has already took quite excellent decision ( stem cell, more troop in afghanistan... )

Anyway he seems to support green issue and we love green, so for that moment he is loved by us.

My friends joke and say he is infected with Las Plaga....

However I don't noticed red eyes...

Contacts? bahaha

I believe Obama is a great speaker. However, I'm a Zionist. I test any politicians result by how they treat Israel. I'm Jewish so I have more than a right to be a Zionist. In the beginning, he showed favoritism towards my brothers in the Land. Once he began president, it didn't take him long to side with the countries with want to eliminate Israel off the map. Directly or indirectly, since Carter, all American presidents have disappointed me. He may be a passive-aggressive when it comes to his ideals on Israel and what they have to do to survive (Such as give-up, which is never an option), but the man still disappoints me. Would McCain have done better? No. As I said, I know how the result turns out. I deduce it quite well.

This thread is old but screw it, I'm putting my two cents in. You are entitled to your opinion, but with all due respect, if you're not a U.S citizen then you have no place in this argument. I'm not telling you how to run your country, so please don't tell us how we should run ours.

I think Scream is long gone - and good riddance.

Scream's last access was 1 year, 8 weeks ago...

I'm just glad that Obama closed down the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay...

Oh...

Wait...

LOL

Good riddance for that. They do not have a uniform and do not fight for a flag. Technically they are not covered by the Geneva Convention. We can do whatever we want to them and get away with it. Muwhahaha